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Post by wa4css » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:17 am

Would it be possible to add support to access the Allstar network through Pi-Star ?



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Re: Allstar

Post by W1KMC » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:57 am

Sorry, but as stated in this forum a few times now, AllStarLink is an analog mode. Pi-Star is Digital only, so adding Allstar is not possible.

You could just make another Pi an allstar node but as to a radio board or how to connect a 'spare' radio to it, is not a discussion for this forum. Try hamvoip.org for that.
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Re: Allstar

Post by KE7FNS » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:35 am

Allstarlink is pretty much dead in the water for Raspbian. It no longer installs correctly (by apt/apt-get) or even compiles due to a specific kernel change that happened a year or so ago, it only works on old outdated versions of the Raspbian kernel. Since Crompton refuses to release the latest source code and since he runs it on a different flavor of linux (Archlinux instead of Raspbian), I doubt that it will ever be able to be fixed.
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Re: Allstar

Post by W1KMC » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:47 am

I ran into that and there is a post somewhere on the allstarlink or hamvoip or some forum about putting a HOLD on the kernel so it doesn't get updated and it works fine.

The REAL problem is that the asterisk version they use went out with the dinosaurs (2.1, I think) Asterisk is now up to 16 so they need to make it work with Asterisk 13 or better.

Load in the raspi version on allstarlink website and before you do the apt-get update , find the post on how to freeze the kernel and you should be good to go after that.

So the kernel is frozed in time...well so is the ancient asterisk.
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Re: Allstar

Post by M1DNS » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:39 pm

wa4css wrote:Would it be possible to add support to access the Allstar network through Pi-Star ?



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I can't see it happening.
Given pistar is heavily exclusive of MMDVM /MMDVMhost and Dstarrepeater which cater only to digital comms. and networks.

Look at the DV switch online groups, they're all doing interesting things based around allstar.

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Re: Allstar

Post by KE7FNS » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:54 am

W1KMC wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:47 am
I ran into that and there is a post somewhere on the allstarlink or hamvoip or some forum about putting a HOLD on the kernel so it doesn't get updated and it works fine.

The REAL problem is that the asterisk version they use went out with the dinosaurs (2.1, I think) Asterisk is now up to 16 so they need to make it work with Asterisk 13 or better.

Load in the raspi version on allstarlink website and before you do the apt-get update , find the post on how to freeze the kernel and you should be good to go after that.

So the kernel is frozed in time...well so is the ancient asterisk.
We aren't even discussing the same thing. I'm talking about taking a recent version of raspbian and installing allstarlink on it, you are talking about downloading an ancient prebuilt image and then crippling it further so that it no longer retrieves the latest kernel updates to keep things from breaking.

You know what else is frozen using your advice, all of the bugfixes and security patches that have been applied to the kernel since then. No thank you.
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Re: Allstar

Post by W1KMC » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:41 pm

we were You said that it was dead in raspbian, it's not but it DOES use old stuff already.

OP asked if Allstar could be added, my short answer was NO. Even M1DNS said so (Admins, you have locked other threads like this real quick. I think you need to do the same here).

Read my sig, I am NOT a guru - do with my advice what you will, but no need to be rude about it, especially when you were NOT the OP.

I wish Allstarlink (either from their own site (ASL image IS based on Asterisk 2.something as I cannot find ANY location to just grab app_rpt.so anywhere) or hamvoip site in their, as you say, ancient image, update to the latest and greatest asterisk and all modules into new images.

But the oroiginal answer of no, allstar cannot be added to pistar. but I do have one running on a pi3 with the frozen kernel, but do what you will with the advice.

I'm done with this thread, Sorry OP.
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Re: Allstar

Post by M1DNS » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:16 pm


W1KMC wrote:
OP asked if Allstar could be added, my short answer was NO. Even M1DNS said so (Admins, you have locked other threads like this real quick. I think you need to do the same here).

I'm done with this thread, Sorry OP.
Kevin, were not going to lock a thread just because someone is debating a statement you made or giving their opinion they don't think the same. Image

If the comments turn nasty, personal, vindictive etc. then yeah we'll lock it and have a word with any perpetrator.

But personally It's still discussion at this point as I see it.


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Re: Allstar

Post by KE7FNS » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:44 pm

W1KMC wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:41 pm
we were You said that it was dead in raspbian, it's not but it DOES use old stuff already.
No we weren't, I was explaining to the OP how you cannot install Allstarlink in current versions of raspbian anymore.

You went off on a tangent by bringing up how I could "get it to work" using some other non pi-star image, which isn't what the thread was about.

It also doesn't matter that Allstarlink uses old stuff, what matters is if it is still actively being worked on by any developers for a debian based operating system. That is WHY I said it was dead, as I don't know of any developers actively working on the project since N4IRS departed and deleted the source from his github.
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:41 pm
OP asked if Allstar could be added, my short answer was NO. Even M1DNS said so (Admins, you have locked other threads like this real quick. I think you need to do the same here).
If it would compile it COULD be added by anyone, just as anyone could install any program and application that is provided in the APT repository or download and compile the source on their own.
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:41 pm
Read my sig, I am NOT a guru - do with my advice what you will, but no need to be rude about it, especially when you were NOT the OP.
Maybe you are completely unaware of the consequences about using older unmaintained linux kernels in systems that are still connected to an outside network?
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:41 pm
I wish Allstarlink (either from their own site (ASL image IS based on Asterisk 2.something as I cannot find ANY location to just grab app_rpt.so anywhere) or hamvoip site in their, as you say, ancient image, update to the latest and greatest asterisk and all modules into new images.

But the oroiginal answer of no, allstar cannot be added to pistar. but I do have one running on a pi3 with the frozen kernel, but do what you will with the advice.

I'm done with this thread, Sorry OP.
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