Not heared at all

Help with D-Star related issues
sm7rdx
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:38 am

Not heared at all

Post by sm7rdx » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:59 am

My Pi-star is connected to DCS010B, I can se my call on the reflector, I hear other stations and I hear can my own echo
when trying. The log in Pi-star shows no error when transmitting my TH-D74. The signal is 59 +46dB. What am I missing?

User avatar
KE0FHS
Posts: 1067
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:40 pm
Location: Colorado, USA
Contact:

Re: Not heared at all

Post by KE0FHS » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:16 pm

Not many details in your report, but here's the very basics: For most simplex hotspots, you must use D-STAR Repeater (DR) or Duplex mode: set up RPT1, RPT2, and a zero offset (either +/−0.000).
73, Toshen, KE0FHS
Playing with Pi-Star (unofficial notes about setting up and using Pi-Star):
https://amateurradionotes.com/pi-star.htm

sm7rdx
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:38 am

Re: Not heared at all

Post by sm7rdx » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:58 pm

Ok, sorry. I should have mentioned my settings.
RPT1: SM7RDX B
RPT2: SM7RDX G
controller mode: simplex node
no offset (00000)
reflector DCS010B
coordinates not important.

TH-D74-settings:
DR mode
00000 offset
I have tried + - and no shift
UR: CQCQCQ
linked reflector DCS010B
set USE REFLECTOR
I have chosen my hotspot in repeaterlist

and ofcourse the same qrg on both, they are talking to each other.

Have I forgotten something?

AF6VN
Posts: 271
Joined: Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:15 am

Re: Not heared at all

Post by AF6VN » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:00 pm

As exported to tab-separated file (using Kenwood's MCP-D74 program), my hotspot entry in the repeater list (I don't even know if one could configure a regular memory channel for this stuff):

Code: Select all

Wn	World Region	Cn	Country	Gn	Group	Callsign	Gateway	Lockout	Name	Sub Name	Frequency	Shift	Offset	Mode	Uplink Tone	Downlink Tone	Position	Lat DD	Lat MM.mm	N/S	Lon DDD	Lon MM.mm	E/W	Time Zone	TH-D74A	TH-D74E	TH-D74	Aux 1	Aux 2	Aux 3

4	North America	51	USA	108	W8	AF6VN  B	AF6VN  G	Off	Hotspot	DV-Mega	446.25	+	0	Digital	Off	Off	Exact	42	56.16	N	85	21.4	W	-5:00	On	Off	Off			
{not the easiest to read -- aux1-aux3 are empty, the On/Off/Off are the D74 models columns}

--
AF6VN
Dennis L Bieber

User avatar
KE0FHS
Posts: 1067
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:40 pm
Location: Colorado, USA
Contact:

Re: Not heared at all

Post by KE0FHS » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:15 pm

sm7rdx wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:58 pm
UR: CQCQCQ
Have I forgotten something?
Two things you might check:

1. When I set my URCALL field on my TH-D74A, I do it via Destination Select > Direct Input (URCALL). I know that it will not work if the UR CALL is set to CQCQCQ using the "Local CQ" option.

2. A gotcha to be aware of: Direct Reply

There's a D-STAR feature on the TH-D74A called Direct Reply. When a call has been received, the green Interrupt screen is displayed for a few moments. If Direct Reply is enabled, as long as the green Interrupt screen is displayed, you can initiate a direct reply to the caller by pushing PTT. However, this doesn't work if you're using a hotspot.
If you're using a hotspot and reply using Direct Reply, your transmission won't be heard. There are two ways to get around this: turn off Direct Reply (menu 612), or if you want to leave the feature enabled, press the [ A/B ] = OK button to close the Interrupt screen before pressing PTT.

FYI, you might find some helpful info on the third page of my D-STAR article:
https://amateurradionotes.com/d-star-3.htm
And also in my article about programming the TH-D74A for D-STAR:
https://amateurradionotes.com/th-d74.htm
73, Toshen, KE0FHS
Playing with Pi-Star (unofficial notes about setting up and using Pi-Star):
https://amateurradionotes.com/pi-star.htm

sm7rdx
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:38 am

Re: Not heared at all

Post by sm7rdx » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:36 am

I have read https://amateurradionotes.com/th-d74.htm many times and there is a
link to a Youtube clip made by W6GPS. I noticed that at the bottom of his display
it says UR: CQCQCQ but in my display it says UR: SM7RDX
I have only succeded to have CQCQCQ if I disconnect from reflector or change to DV mode.
Neither is good.
When I link to the reflector a voice says "linked to...",the display says UR: CQCQCQ and at the bottom
I read the name of the reflector. Looks good! But when I press ptt "UR: CQCQCQ" disapears
and my call sign returns.
Back at square 1.
I have followed every step in the article and it shouldn't be any difference
between D74A and D74E other than qrg.
I have started to think it might be something with the firmware, I have 1.09
but it can't be...

There are som clips to see on http://downtownsmedby.se/dstar mostly in swedish but the first part is not.

User avatar
KE0FHS
Posts: 1067
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:40 pm
Location: Colorado, USA
Contact:

Re: Not heared at all

Post by KE0FHS » Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:19 pm

sm7rdx wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:36 am
it says UR: CQCQCQ but in my display it says UR: SM7RDX
That's definitely a problem. I've never seen that happen on my TH-D74A (also on 1.09). The only final suggestion I can make is to go over your CPS entries again very carefully; it's possible there is some entry that is not quite right.
73, Toshen, KE0FHS
Playing with Pi-Star (unofficial notes about setting up and using Pi-Star):
https://amateurradionotes.com/pi-star.htm

AF6VN
Posts: 271
Joined: Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:15 am

Re: Not heared at all

Post by AF6VN » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:39 pm

sm7rdx wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:36 am
I have read https://amateurradionotes.com/th-d74.htm many times and there is a
link to a Youtube clip made by W6GPS. I noticed that at the bottom of his display
it says UR: CQCQCQ but in my display it says UR: SM7RDX
Do you mean on the GREEN screen phase? Because the clip you show at http://downtownsmedby.se/dstar/UR.mp4 appears to behave identical to my unit (it shows my callsign at the conclusion of transmission, and shows CQCQCQ when the other end transmits -- ie: during the "linked"/"not linked" announcement or when receiving someone else).

For example, using the "reflector information" destination

<black screen> {Use Reflector/_______I} press PTT
<green screen> bottom shows AF6VN and status line shows reflector and BER from hotspot
<green screen> shows CQCQCQ and hotspot voice announcement sounds.

Dashboard shows

Code: Select all

Gateway Activity
Time (EDT) 	Mode 	Callsign 	Target 	Src 	Dur(s) 	Loss 	BER
13:23:47 Aug 29th	D-Star	AF6VN/INFO	CQCQCQ via REF030 C	Net	7.0	0%	0.0%
13:23:43 Aug 29th	D-Star	AF6VN/D74A	I	RF	1.5	0%	0.0
Reset to "Use Reflector"
<black screen> {Use Reflector/CQCQCQ} press PTT
<green screen> bottom shows AF6VN and status shows reflector and BER
<black screen> {normal screen: Use Reflector/CQCQCQ}

and dashboard shows

Code: Select all

Gateway Activity
Time (EDT) 	Mode 	Callsign 	Target 	Src 	Dur(s) 	Loss 	BER
13:29:08 Aug 29th	D-Star	AF6VN/D74A	CQCQCQ	RF	0.6	0%	0.0%

--
AF6VN
Dennis L Bieber

User avatar
w7efs
Posts: 307
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:26 pm

Re: Not heared at all

Post by w7efs » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:10 am

SM7RDX isn't a registered D-Star call sign with the U.S. Trust Server ... I'm not sure how that works in Sweden or with DCS reflectors but here it's https://dstargateway.org/D-Star_Registration.html for your consideration.

AF6VN
Posts: 271
Joined: Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:15 am

Re: Not heared at all

Post by AF6VN » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:45 pm

w7efs wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:10 am
SM7RDX isn't a registered D-Star call sign with the U.S. Trust Server ... I'm not sure how that works in Sweden or with DCS reflectors but here it's https://dstargateway.org/D-Star_Registration.html for your consideration.
Well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK7MQ has this comment
In order to be able to use the D-STAR gateway on the repeater, each HAM operator must apply for an approval within the US Trust Server network, which is done at the registration webpage at any US Trust Server connected gateway repeater.
So that could be the most viable problem the OP has -- local configuration may be working properly, but lack of registration means things are just going into a bit-bucket...

--
AF6VN
Dennis L Bieber

Post Reply