Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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Someone stated "D-STAR Reflectors will block you if you simultaneously connect with more than one hotspot using the same callsign, and some will permanently ban you."

Is this true?

I run two DStar hotspots simultaneously under my callsign KC2YYF, they are usually connected to REF020A. One is a 2 meter high powered hotspot with wide area coverage, used by numerous people beside myself.

The other is a 440mhz low powered hotspot used around my house to hear both people from REF020A and those connect to the high powered hotspot mentioned above.

Please chime in!!

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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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If it is indeed "Prohibited", it certainly isn't enforced on REF001. One shouldn't post others callsigns that result, but if you have "lynx" installed, the following command (SELECT ALL, copy and paste into a command line prompt) shows the multiply-linked callsigns, which you can verify by searching the dashboard for each:

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lynx -dump http://ref001.dstargateway.org/ | \
awk '/Remote Users/,/Last Heard/' | \
grep -vE "Remote|Last|^$|HotSpot|Type|DV AP|DV Dongle" | \
sed 's|^ *||g' | sort | uniq -d
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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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It definitely has been enforced on 001C. In fact, that's the reflector that was issuing permanent bans. Perhaps they've changed their policy more recently.
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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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Announcements about co-located hotspots using the same frequency, whether they have the same call sign or not, are often made, but I've never before heard of or experienced problems with linking duplicate callsigns.

There are even more duplicate callsigns currently linked to REF030 than REF001, 16 vs. 7; just add " | wc -l " to the command previously posted.
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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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viewtopic.php?f=3&t=363&p=1249&hilit=banned#p1249
viewtopic.php?t=468#p1641
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1627&p=7444&hilit=blocked#p7444
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1640&p=7080&hilit=blocked#p7080
w7efs, you actually posted on this one: "If you have more than 1 hotspot that uses the same frequency, then I fully endorse the reflector banning of the call sign. We've had far too many nets crippled by such."
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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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I do enjoy these little one-liner shell-scripting exercises, so forgive me please if I list all D-Star reflectors that currently have one or more multiple-linked callsigns:

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REF001: 7
REF004: 3
REF006: 1
REF012: 2
REF014: 3
REF018: 2
REF019: 1
REF023: 1
REF024: 1
REF029: 1
REF030: 17
REF032: 4
REF033: 1
REF038: 1
REF053: 1
REF056: 2
REF063: 1
REF069: 1
REF081: 1
REF089: 1
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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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KE0FHS wrote: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:43 pm viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1640&p=7080&hilit=blocked#p7080
w7efs, you actually posted on this one: "If you have more than 1 hotspot that uses the same frequency, then I fully endorse the reflector banning of the call sign. We've had far too many nets crippled by such."
Yes, absolutely when co-located hotspots are using the same frequency, even if linked to different reflectors. That's not the same as the OP's topic, in which he clearly states different bands.
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I see. Got it.
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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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There were instances where hotspots were getting blocked on dplus reflectors (REF) if two devices were connected to the same reflector using the same callsign. ie duplicate callsigns listed twice on the same reflector.
For several months over on the PS FB group every 3rd post was concerning just this.

But not sure what rules are employed now.

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Re: Is running 2 DStar hotspots with the same Callsign is Prohibited?

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I'm convinced it was confusion caused by people not distinguishing between same-callsign and same-frequency/same-callsign on multiple hotspots ... rumors get started that way.
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